“As long as there has been democracy, there have been figures like Donald Trump. Figures who are good at marshaling the worst instincts of the mob. What does it mean to create a set of institutions that doesn’t give rise to this? Or when someone is like this, that they are hemmed and penned in?”
-Chris Hayes, episode 474 of Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso
Chris Hayes wants to talk about things we’ve gone through.
In his twenty-five years of covering American politics, Hayes says he’s never seen an election quite like the 2026 midterms.
Together, we unpack the blue wave (2:17), what caused this pendulum swing (3:36), and how Hayes sees the next two years of Trump’s presidency (19:40). Then, he outlines the affordability crisis that shaped voters’ decisions (24:26), what he believes are the top three priorities for Democrats entering Congress (32:07), and the future of party leaders Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries (41:17).
On the back-half, we discuss how the Trump fever finally broke (53:22), our path to a more decent, pluralistic politics (56:45), Democrats’ handling of Gaza (1:08:15), and the road to 2028 (1:11:46). To close, Hayes reflects on the emotional toll of the past few years—and why he’s determined to see this chapter through (1:17:53).
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Show-notes:
- Watch All In with Chris Hayes on MS NOW.
- Listen to his podcast Why Is This Happening?
- Read his book The Sirens’ Call.
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- Hear our first conversation from 2025.
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