Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso

Jenna Wortham

“The book was a huge part of wanting to push myself into the art world more. I knew how I felt in my body when I would listen to a Janelle Monáe album or go see some of the early work I was looking at like Titus Kaphar or Hank Willis Thomas and just feeling my entire self. And that feeling was an indication that this is my next assignment, whatever that looks like. Then I just had to figure out, how is that going to live, and how is that going to come together? I felt it in my body before it was a thing I even knew how to talk about.

  Jenna Wortham, episode 213 of Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso


Following the recent release of their anthology, Black Futures, Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham join us this week. We discuss their hopes for 2021 (7:33), interrogating institutions like the HFPA (11:20), their career paths (18:10) and expanding accessibility within their respective industries (8:56). Jenna and Kimberly also reflect on how they’ve grown since creating Black Futures (25:38), navigating the pandemic (28:14), and the refuge they’ve found in the Marvel universe (32:27). Finally, they envision their future selves (39:47) and what a “black future” can look like (43:02).


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Illustrations by: Krishna Shenoi.

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